dilipcr
06-16 02:24 PM
There's two themes in this thread that are interesting.
1. A couple of members advanced the argument that retrogression is good since it weeds out the supposedly undeserving. Here's a startling quote:
2. The question of luck.
I would like to share our story, because it touches on both these themes: I have two US graduate degrees; so does my wife. We've paid over 100K in federal income taxes in each of the past several years and I'm now a partner at my firm; the idea that folks are stuck in retrogression because they are undereducated low-cost workers is not realistic. And there are many cases similar to ours (some of which I read about on IV). We are stuck in retrogression because we have no answer to the country-quota bottleneck.
So, sure, retreogression may provide perverse pleasure to a select few greencard holders, but the inconvenience that retrogression causes most of us does not serve a greater Darwinian good.
What of luck? While luck has put us in retrogression, it has favored us in many ways --- we have a great family, a lovely home, and a bunch of good friends. I am sure all of us have seen similar plus sides of luck. But luck is stubborn when it comes to the greencard: when the window opened up last year, many folks with PD 2006 were approved, while many like us with older PD were left waiting. Luck is a strange animal -- it lets you see the map of the world in your handheld, but won't let you travel freely because of retrogression.
There's this story about luck and how one can get around it in some cases. It is not very relevant here, but here's the story: A wise man came to a village and observed a family living in great poverty. All the family had was a cow and a sack of grain. They would work very hard, but their net worth never rose beyond the "cow + sack of grain" level. The wise man, being wise, figured out what's going on. He asked the family to give away the cow and have a party with whatever grain they had. The family initially thought this advice was daft, but eventually complied out of respect for the wise man. The night after they had squandered everything, Brahma could be seen quietly bringing the family another cow and a sack of grain. What the wise man had figured out was that this level of net worth was preordained for that family -- whether they work hard or party. Not a great story to tell your kids to teach them about hard work; but provides an alternate perspective when you're stuck in line.
To be honest, you are the kind of people, with the right attitude and qualifications, who deserve the GC and should not be subject to these mindless wait times. I am truly sorry for you. Hope the best for you
1. A couple of members advanced the argument that retrogression is good since it weeds out the supposedly undeserving. Here's a startling quote:
2. The question of luck.
I would like to share our story, because it touches on both these themes: I have two US graduate degrees; so does my wife. We've paid over 100K in federal income taxes in each of the past several years and I'm now a partner at my firm; the idea that folks are stuck in retrogression because they are undereducated low-cost workers is not realistic. And there are many cases similar to ours (some of which I read about on IV). We are stuck in retrogression because we have no answer to the country-quota bottleneck.
So, sure, retreogression may provide perverse pleasure to a select few greencard holders, but the inconvenience that retrogression causes most of us does not serve a greater Darwinian good.
What of luck? While luck has put us in retrogression, it has favored us in many ways --- we have a great family, a lovely home, and a bunch of good friends. I am sure all of us have seen similar plus sides of luck. But luck is stubborn when it comes to the greencard: when the window opened up last year, many folks with PD 2006 were approved, while many like us with older PD were left waiting. Luck is a strange animal -- it lets you see the map of the world in your handheld, but won't let you travel freely because of retrogression.
There's this story about luck and how one can get around it in some cases. It is not very relevant here, but here's the story: A wise man came to a village and observed a family living in great poverty. All the family had was a cow and a sack of grain. They would work very hard, but their net worth never rose beyond the "cow + sack of grain" level. The wise man, being wise, figured out what's going on. He asked the family to give away the cow and have a party with whatever grain they had. The family initially thought this advice was daft, but eventually complied out of respect for the wise man. The night after they had squandered everything, Brahma could be seen quietly bringing the family another cow and a sack of grain. What the wise man had figured out was that this level of net worth was preordained for that family -- whether they work hard or party. Not a great story to tell your kids to teach them about hard work; but provides an alternate perspective when you're stuck in line.
To be honest, you are the kind of people, with the right attitude and qualifications, who deserve the GC and should not be subject to these mindless wait times. I am truly sorry for you. Hope the best for you
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hatighora
01-05 05:00 PM
Why amway cannot sell brand products that you get at walmart and other stores. What is stopping amway from having a partnership with these companies and sell quality products?
eb2_mumbai
09-25 01:27 PM
I did a quick DB search and here are my findings for 2005 & 2006 PERM data
2005 case status -certified = 6133
Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212
2006 case status certified 79782
Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283
2005 case status -certified = 6133
Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212
2006 case status certified 79782
Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283
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himu73
07-11 11:51 AM
I have a unique situation
1. My PD is EB3 July 2004.
2. My wife's PD is EB2 Jan 2005
3. I am dependent on my wife's 485 filed on July 2007. Her I140 is approved.
4. I switched job on EAD I got from her adjustment application,but earlier company has retained my I140 application.
The H1 from earlier company expires in August 2008.
Question is what are my options regarding using my I140.
1. Can i port my PD for my Wife's application, since it is 6 months earlier ?
2. Is there a possibility that I can use my I140 whenever it is approved to get an EAD independently since I have already applied for adjustment from my wife's application and not be a dependent on my wife's case.
1. My PD is EB3 July 2004.
2. My wife's PD is EB2 Jan 2005
3. I am dependent on my wife's 485 filed on July 2007. Her I140 is approved.
4. I switched job on EAD I got from her adjustment application,but earlier company has retained my I140 application.
The H1 from earlier company expires in August 2008.
Question is what are my options regarding using my I140.
1. Can i port my PD for my Wife's application, since it is 6 months earlier ?
2. Is there a possibility that I can use my I140 whenever it is approved to get an EAD independently since I have already applied for adjustment from my wife's application and not be a dependent on my wife's case.
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gc28262
01-24 05:16 PM
If you think Memo is illegal why can't you file a lawsuit. That should be right way. But I did not see any suggestion from any lawyer. But when when July 2007 issue cropped most lawyers rushed to file lawsuit. Now no one even suggesting lawsuit except some members in IV. Either most are not interested or they think no legal basis to contest memo
I am filing a lawsuit. Want to join me ? :cool:
Please read this
MurthyDotCom : H1B Memo on Employer-Employee Relationships and 3rd-Party Placements (http://www.murthy.com/news/n_e-erel.html)
Read the conclusion. I am sure that won't make you happy.
I am filing a lawsuit. Want to join me ? :cool:
Please read this
MurthyDotCom : H1B Memo on Employer-Employee Relationships and 3rd-Party Placements (http://www.murthy.com/news/n_e-erel.html)
Read the conclusion. I am sure that won't make you happy.
unseenguy
08-17 02:40 PM
Please, they do not pull aside every 'Khan' in the world. Yes, things seem OTT every now and then with an amount of drunken patriotism -- and you may come across an occasional "Voldemort" from the INS. However, can you place blame solely on homeland security? We live in a global world / economy of nearly 6 billion and every day visitors with trade of varied kind - surely you cannot expect the avg Joe at homeland security to know every zero talented b'wood hero out there?! I'd also urge you to look at the brighter side of the coin - of the various programs in place to have African Muslims, Arabs and the Iraqis being moved into the US, by giving them jobs, homes and permanent resident status. Likewise with Afghans, and the visa diversity program. These folks have names like Abdul, Osama, Khalid and Khan. So please, tone down the b'wood inspired sensationalism - view things in context.
When you choose to visit America or any foreign nation, national security & well being override celebrity status - period.
Now, I find it interesting, whilst detained at EWR, Shahrook Khan called the Indian Media in 'protest'. Perhaps positive PR for his new movie - 'My name is Khan' that's apparently about racial profiling in America ..hmmm?! Alright, now that is talent. Unethical, perhaps, nevertheless, talent, I think.
I just have to say one thing about you. You were born with a slave mentality in a third country. Its been passed to you from generations. You will go any length to prove your masters are fair and honest and its not your fault. You never experienced free, your own country by your own admission. So stop blabbering and justifying your masters, we dont buy it.
When you choose to visit America or any foreign nation, national security & well being override celebrity status - period.
Now, I find it interesting, whilst detained at EWR, Shahrook Khan called the Indian Media in 'protest'. Perhaps positive PR for his new movie - 'My name is Khan' that's apparently about racial profiling in America ..hmmm?! Alright, now that is talent. Unethical, perhaps, nevertheless, talent, I think.
I just have to say one thing about you. You were born with a slave mentality in a third country. Its been passed to you from generations. You will go any length to prove your masters are fair and honest and its not your fault. You never experienced free, your own country by your own admission. So stop blabbering and justifying your masters, we dont buy it.
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rkg000
09-05 08:42 PM
Yo breddy2000, nobody is calling you names man, but you are getting personal. Is YSR your father ?????.
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qualified_trash
06-21 03:11 PM
Friends,
Don't waste your time on this. The American employers will never agree to this as LC belongs to them and they don't want to waste time, money and effort again and again. The only problem I see is our desi consulting companies misusing this privilege.
I would say lets not waste our time as DOL/USCIS is trying to formulate ways to check 'LC Substitution Fraud'. At the same time they don't want to penalize the legitimate substitutions where an employee is already working for the same company for years.
fighting retrogression and 485 filing during retrogression are important than this.
Its my opinion only, pls take it on a lighter note...
- Rishi
very true ..................... but it is legal so ......... maybe we should all use it.
I know for a fact that this happens in companies (IT - product development and professional services) and I know this because a friend of mine (our kids play together these days so VERY close) was a beneficiary of such an LC and today has a GC and perm job to die for.......... I ofcourse will NOT disclose the name of the company or person for obvious reasons..........
He worked hard during his MS days to make it here and is just reaping the benefits of his hard work and ingenuity in identifying the opportunity in a legal system gone kaput.......... so no fault of his.
Don't waste your time on this. The American employers will never agree to this as LC belongs to them and they don't want to waste time, money and effort again and again. The only problem I see is our desi consulting companies misusing this privilege.
I would say lets not waste our time as DOL/USCIS is trying to formulate ways to check 'LC Substitution Fraud'. At the same time they don't want to penalize the legitimate substitutions where an employee is already working for the same company for years.
fighting retrogression and 485 filing during retrogression are important than this.
Its my opinion only, pls take it on a lighter note...
- Rishi
very true ..................... but it is legal so ......... maybe we should all use it.
I know for a fact that this happens in companies (IT - product development and professional services) and I know this because a friend of mine (our kids play together these days so VERY close) was a beneficiary of such an LC and today has a GC and perm job to die for.......... I ofcourse will NOT disclose the name of the company or person for obvious reasons..........
He worked hard during his MS days to make it here and is just reaping the benefits of his hard work and ingenuity in identifying the opportunity in a legal system gone kaput.......... so no fault of his.
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bondgoli007
09-23 11:07 AM
I Support this idea!!
For the the ones who are skeptical, there are two simple things to consider.
1. Other than 5882 (which is the most preferred) is there anything else out there to help improve the Green card process? ANYTHING? we all would love to hear it.
2. Even if this idea will not work for you (already bought a house/can't buy one right now), if this does go through and reduces the backlog, is it not what you want ultimately?
As usual you are welcome to your opinion but considering the two points above please refrain from negative opinions because that usually dissuades some IV members to come out and support action items.
For the the ones who are skeptical, there are two simple things to consider.
1. Other than 5882 (which is the most preferred) is there anything else out there to help improve the Green card process? ANYTHING? we all would love to hear it.
2. Even if this idea will not work for you (already bought a house/can't buy one right now), if this does go through and reduces the backlog, is it not what you want ultimately?
As usual you are welcome to your opinion but considering the two points above please refrain from negative opinions because that usually dissuades some IV members to come out and support action items.
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dilipcr
06-12 03:53 AM
dilipcr,
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
Nope I am not. I am suggesting that first let the deserving get the GCs and not waste time fighting for all
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
Nope. I want the deserving people to come in. My criterion for a deserving guy is that the person works directly for a company. If you believe my criterion is flawed then call it out. Dont go about saying that I have selfish motives. wage destruction not just affects me but also the future IV GC holders and citizens. So whats wrong in my calling it out ?
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
Yes everyone in America for sure and it includes the current H1bs and prospective GC holders
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
If by saying that the deserving should get the first opportunity to get in, I belong to the losers guild, then I salute your critical reasoning
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
There you go. No wonder I still come across the favorite Indian past time of attributing everything to luck. Yes I had my share of layoffs. Why isnt it viewed from a point of view of my tenacity of survive, hang on and push harder ? Why should it be luck that aided me ? So you want to twiddle your thumb hoping that luck would take you through this journey ? Why not take some action ? If I had sat in a corner weeping and blaming luck for my 3 layoffs in 1 year, i would not have been whatever I am today.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Yes I was a H1B to start with. But I did not represent an outsourcing company or a body shopping company. I was hired by a top notch company named MSFT. Ever heard of the spell check and grammar check algorithm in MS Word ? I had put in my 2 humble cents in developing an algorithm for MS Word 97 product then.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
You still think that I joined MSFT then after depressing a citizen's wage.
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
If my self interest would serve a great good for the deserving what is wrong in that ?
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
Dude, Read Vivek Wadhwas findings carefully. He wants the best and the brightest to be provided unlimited visas. I agree with him completely. He is not for perpetual fraud and wage destruction as proferred by the outsourcing companies. Next time when you quote a defence, atleast quote something that supports your case not the opponent's :-)
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
Nope I am not. I am suggesting that first let the deserving get the GCs and not waste time fighting for all
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
Nope. I want the deserving people to come in. My criterion for a deserving guy is that the person works directly for a company. If you believe my criterion is flawed then call it out. Dont go about saying that I have selfish motives. wage destruction not just affects me but also the future IV GC holders and citizens. So whats wrong in my calling it out ?
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
Yes everyone in America for sure and it includes the current H1bs and prospective GC holders
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
If by saying that the deserving should get the first opportunity to get in, I belong to the losers guild, then I salute your critical reasoning
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
There you go. No wonder I still come across the favorite Indian past time of attributing everything to luck. Yes I had my share of layoffs. Why isnt it viewed from a point of view of my tenacity of survive, hang on and push harder ? Why should it be luck that aided me ? So you want to twiddle your thumb hoping that luck would take you through this journey ? Why not take some action ? If I had sat in a corner weeping and blaming luck for my 3 layoffs in 1 year, i would not have been whatever I am today.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Yes I was a H1B to start with. But I did not represent an outsourcing company or a body shopping company. I was hired by a top notch company named MSFT. Ever heard of the spell check and grammar check algorithm in MS Word ? I had put in my 2 humble cents in developing an algorithm for MS Word 97 product then.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
You still think that I joined MSFT then after depressing a citizen's wage.
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
If my self interest would serve a great good for the deserving what is wrong in that ?
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
Dude, Read Vivek Wadhwas findings carefully. He wants the best and the brightest to be provided unlimited visas. I agree with him completely. He is not for perpetual fraud and wage destruction as proferred by the outsourcing companies. Next time when you quote a defence, atleast quote something that supports your case not the opponent's :-)
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nrk
09-15 04:42 PM
By seeing numbers, i am seeing a ray of hope with in one year i should hear some good news. Thanks for the R&D of all IV members
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
==============
Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
==============
Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
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gc_lover
06-28 12:45 PM
"expecting retrogresson ....in first wk of July... " ??
I thought logiclife already clarified that can not and will not happen!!
Yes, he did clarify. But, when rumors like that make it to reputed attorney's website it will surely cause panic among people.
I thought logiclife already clarified that can not and will not happen!!
Yes, he did clarify. But, when rumors like that make it to reputed attorney's website it will surely cause panic among people.
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texanguy
10-01 07:14 PM
in the next 10-20 years, US needs steady stream of educated young working population(say 25-40 yrs olds) to take care of all the commitments of social security and medicare. Babyboomers will soon outnumber the younger generations. immigration is a need for US now more than ever in the known history. employment based immigration is definitely going to increase/needs to be increased at any cost.
Democrat,republicans,obama,mccain no matter who comes to power, there are good days ahead for EB immigrants. all the trouble that we face today is a result of pandering to the nativist base of the country before election takes place. Once in power, things will change for good...
Democrat,republicans,obama,mccain no matter who comes to power, there are good days ahead for EB immigrants. all the trouble that we face today is a result of pandering to the nativist base of the country before election takes place. Once in power, things will change for good...
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hebbar77
09-03 11:15 AM
ah one more dirty politician gone... taking a deep breathe. I hope more corrupt fellas follow
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_TrueFacts
09-04 02:29 PM
YSR is dengerous than SWINE FLUE...shame on YSR's Son.
Over 100 die after YSR's death..
India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/4970708.cms#top1)
See what posters in Times of India say
Raj,Uk,says:With all due respect to YSR but his followers are not leaving any stone unturned in capitalising his death it seems like a race to make him most popular leader. If the number of deaths due to shock to be considered as the measure of popularity then YSR becomes far more famous then Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi et al. This is a wrong precedence we are setting by publishing the unconfirmed news, just think what will happen post mayawati/lalu and other so called popular leaders.
Ek,BLR,says:60 people dying is a joke..bigger joke is people dying of cardiac arrest...I have never heard of anyone having a cardiac arrest at their mother, father,wife or for that matter their Child's death.......These people attribute any death happening on these days to YSR's death..I am not denying there are some fools who are capable of committing suicides though!!!
Over 100 die after YSR's death..
India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/4970708.cms#top1)
See what posters in Times of India say
Raj,Uk,says:With all due respect to YSR but his followers are not leaving any stone unturned in capitalising his death it seems like a race to make him most popular leader. If the number of deaths due to shock to be considered as the measure of popularity then YSR becomes far more famous then Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi et al. This is a wrong precedence we are setting by publishing the unconfirmed news, just think what will happen post mayawati/lalu and other so called popular leaders.
Ek,BLR,says:60 people dying is a joke..bigger joke is people dying of cardiac arrest...I have never heard of anyone having a cardiac arrest at their mother, father,wife or for that matter their Child's death.......These people attribute any death happening on these days to YSR's death..I am not denying there are some fools who are capable of committing suicides though!!!
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ndbhatt
09-24 12:42 AM
Matt_Kelly@Specter.senate.gov ID is bouncing
Downsizing happened within congress too. :D
Downsizing happened within congress too. :D
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dreamworld
05-12 10:14 PM
Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.
Your Justification makes no sense.............Jews and America is different. but SL.Tamils in SriLanka are like Jews and Hitler.
There is no independent media allowed to the war zone. That tells the truth is hidden.
So you might rise your voice and bring any comparisons/theory. but still you need hard-core independent media report to convince the world.
Your Justification makes no sense.............Jews and America is different. but SL.Tamils in SriLanka are like Jews and Hitler.
There is no independent media allowed to the war zone. That tells the truth is hidden.
So you might rise your voice and bring any comparisons/theory. but still you need hard-core independent media report to convince the world.
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nogc_noproblem
07-16 01:37 AM
That means, the horizontal spill-over (EB1->EB2->EB3) is the way to go and EB2 I & C will move forward healthily until it becomes current.
So gurus,
The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
Any more thoughts?
So gurus,
The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
Any more thoughts?
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punjabi
07-29 11:07 AM
I have had 2 friends, one from my Engineering college and another who was a co-worker in SFO. The first one had joined Amway in India and the other one Quixstar in Bay Area.
Both told me that they were brainwashed by the up-line members and they were forced to go through the cds, books, and their guidelines on regular basis. This is in their own words. I am not making it up. And both of them told me that they have lost number of friends and acquaintances since they joined Quixstar/Amway.
May be it is a business that you can join to flourish and prosper. But I believe the operating mechanism of Quixstar is wrong. A group should be like - people should feel an urge within themselves to come and join and make the full use of it.
Running a business itself is not bad. But when it is run and operated by covert, hidden and superficial attitude - that's when people start to feel the repulsion.
My intention is not to attack Kushal or anybody else.
Sure with dead bobhead braincells of yours, nobody expects your self image to be high enough. Its not for wimps wearing zippers to the side like you. If you are man enough come and talk to me, and will see who gets handcuffed.
Both told me that they were brainwashed by the up-line members and they were forced to go through the cds, books, and their guidelines on regular basis. This is in their own words. I am not making it up. And both of them told me that they have lost number of friends and acquaintances since they joined Quixstar/Amway.
May be it is a business that you can join to flourish and prosper. But I believe the operating mechanism of Quixstar is wrong. A group should be like - people should feel an urge within themselves to come and join and make the full use of it.
Running a business itself is not bad. But when it is run and operated by covert, hidden and superficial attitude - that's when people start to feel the repulsion.
My intention is not to attack Kushal or anybody else.
Sure with dead bobhead braincells of yours, nobody expects your self image to be high enough. Its not for wimps wearing zippers to the side like you. If you are man enough come and talk to me, and will see who gets handcuffed.
sugaur
05-31 12:58 AM
With Bush and McCain CIR there was atleast a chance for some relief for legal immigrants. Democrats are all like used car salesmen. I wont be surprised if they pass legislation to appease the hispanic community while leaving us high and dry.
McLuvin
06-17 01:54 PM
Dude, i agree with you... All about dumping/low cost labor/yours BITS/MSFT talent...
Get my point right... you are getting old and you are scared... you are feeling insecure... you DUMPED 100k :) for YOUR MBA program.... dont shit bricks... dont worry.... when we who need to feel insecure are doing ok.... I think solely considering your status.... you should go have a ball... oh i forgot your MSFT/BITS stuff...
Karthik S
I am simply stumped at the level of comprehension of the folks right here. Let me summarize my views as points and hopefully I will get through to you guys
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
Get my point right... you are getting old and you are scared... you are feeling insecure... you DUMPED 100k :) for YOUR MBA program.... dont shit bricks... dont worry.... when we who need to feel insecure are doing ok.... I think solely considering your status.... you should go have a ball... oh i forgot your MSFT/BITS stuff...
Karthik S
I am simply stumped at the level of comprehension of the folks right here. Let me summarize my views as points and hopefully I will get through to you guys
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
